On this episode of the Hayek Program Podcast, we continue a series of lectures on topics in economic sociology hosted by Peter Boettke. He is joined in this episode by Bobbi Herzberg as they explore her time learning from and working with the Ostroms. Herzberg explains how the Ostroms shaped her conception of political economy and demonstrated to her how to be intellectually curious and a lifelong learner. Herzberg also recounts her time as department chair, including the lessons she learned in balancing research and leadership in academia.